President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s interview with Ghassan Charbel, Editor-in-Chief of the London-based newspaper Asharq Al-Awsat, was published in English and Arabic.
President Erdoğan responded as follows when asked how the idea for the tripartite Mecca Agreement came about and what the most prominent developments were that led to it:
''The idea for the Mecca Joint Defence Agreement arose from the new circumstances imposed by the developments in our region and stemmed from the three nations' awareness of their shared responsibilities.
We have always believed that regional issues must be resolved by the region's own countries. We have consistently supported efforts to find solutions to them; this has always been the foundation upon which our approach to the situation is built. Regional issues should be resolved by regional actors; we have taken a first step toward achieving that goal.
Recent events have proven the paramount importance of synergy and solidarity efforts among sisterly and friendly nations.
We in Türkiye have always called for dialogue and the strengthening of consultation channels rather than deepening differences. This is because we know that lasting peace is achieved not only by putting an end to conflicts but also by building bridges of mutual trust, strong political will, and a shared future vision.
Consequently, the Mecca Joint Defence Agreement is the fruit of this understanding; it goes beyond being a mere consensus among the three countries to become an initiative for us to assume a grave historical responsibility in achieving stability for the region and providing security and safety for its sisterly and friendly peoples.
Here, I want to underline something of utmost importance: this agreement is open to all sisterly nations that desire peace and stability.
Today, just as in the past and as we always will be, we in Türkiye support peace, stability, and the strengthening of brotherhood with our siblings.
We consider the Mecca agreement to be a practical embodiment of this strong will, and we have no objection to other countries joining this agreement.
Inshallah, we – Türkiye, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan – will have opened the door to a new phase of cooperation and joint action in our region.
Our country possesses the strong will to keep this door wide open at all times and to contribute with all its strength to efforts aimed at boosting peace and stability in the region.''
''Our vision is to gather one day all countries of the region under this umbrella''
When asked if the agreement has a connection to the tension between the US and Iran, President Erdoğan responded as follows:
''There is no doubt that the rising tension between the US and Iran poses a danger to developments in the region.
However, it is a mistake to reduce the Mecca agreement to being viewed as a mere situational reflection of this escalation, as that would lead to an incorrect understanding of the policies and intentions adopted by our countries.
This agreement came to reaffirm the right to defence stipulated in Article 51 of the UN Charter, and it does not target any state. It was established to work toward enhancing security, prosperity, and stability in the region, and it remains open to all sisterly nations wishing to join it.
Our vision for it is not limited to the three countries; rather, we aspire for it to grow, and perhaps appropriate conditions will emerge one day for all countries of the region to gather under its umbrella, which would be the optimal step toward achieving lasting stability throughout the region.
This step we have taken today was not born of the moment; instead, the agreement had been proposed a while ago during our repeated discussions and meetings with the partners with whom we signed the accord, as well as with other countries in the region.
For many years, we have always stressed that enhancing peace and security in our region requires regular consultations among the concerned nations, and our efforts have been focused on serving that purpose.
This is because resolving regional issues must be carried out away from formulas imposed from the outside. We know very well that solutions imported from abroad only bring disasters.
For this reason, we in Türkiye have continuously worked with a commitment to proceed in light of policies that rely on the self-determination and collective wisdom of the region's countries.
Consequently, we do not view the trilateral mechanism arising from the Mecca agreement as an instantaneous reaction to a specific international situation, but rather as a momentous step we have taken based on a strategic will to confront the new developments unfolding in the region.
We in Türkiye always stand with diplomatic solutions rather than escalation, with dialogue rather than conflict, and with regional cooperation and strengthening the bonds of joint action rather than division.
We are a country capable of speaking with all parties and assuming responsibility in difficult issues, and we will continue our role to achieve lasting peace and stability throughout the entire region.''
''This agreement does not target any country''
President Erdoğan stated the following when asked about the provision in the agreement stipulating that, while the agreement carries a defensive character, any aggression against one party is considered an aggression against all three parties:
''Yes, as understood from its name, it is the Mecca Joint Defence Agreement, and it is based on collective defence.
Furthermore, its signing in Mecca between sisterly nations imparts a special symbolism to it, which is a source of immense happiness for us.
Above all, the Mecca Joint Defence Agreement is founded on collective deterrence. It is an agreement that seeks to bolster cooperation in the fields of security and defence and opens the door to developing joint projects in the defence industries, as well as supporting efforts to combat terrorism.
This agreement does not target any party; rather, its objective is to achieve peace, stability, and prosperity for our peoples.
The articles in its text are clear and completely unambiguous. The core principle it adopts is that any threat to the security of one party is viewed as a security threat to the rest of the signatory parties.
However, the matter should not be viewed solely through a military lens. The primary goal of this agreement is to enhance its deterrent dimension, fortify the security incentive of the parties by strengthening the spirit of solidarity among them, and protect regional stability.
Türkiye has achieved great accomplishments in the field of defence and security, earning the appreciation and admiration of everyone in this regard.
Through these agreements with sisterly and friendly countries, we grant these achievements a regional dimension that supports peace and stability.
At the same time, the signatories to the agreement reaffirm their commitment not to become a source of threat to one another; on the contrary, they will strive to do everything that strengthens solidarity among them.
The message that the signatories to the Mecca Joint Defence Agreement wish to convey is clear and unequivocal: our security is achieved through what guarantees security for all of us, and we are fully confident that if we apply this comprehensive approach, we will achieve peace, stability, and prosperity for us all.''
''The future of the region cannot be shaped in isolation from the will of its countries''
President Erdoğan responded as follows when asked whether it could be said that regional powers in the Middle East have decided to assume responsibility for security and stability, something that was previously considered the exclusive domain of major global powers:
''Today, the countries of the region are compelled more than ever to assume responsibility for their own security, stability, and future.
This is the principle we have always defended: no one knows the issues of the region better than its own nations and peoples.
It is true that regional developments may have international repercussions, but strengthening regional sovereignty, mutual solidarity, and collective will will contribute to boosting global stability.
We in Türkiye believe that building more robust mechanisms in a concerted manner among the countries of the region to secure safety and stability is of paramount importance.
This is because we have continuously maintained good relations with most countries in the region, and we recognise that transforming these ties into permanent institutional cooperation is highly beneficial. Therefore, we believe in the need for regional countries to guarantee their security and economic stability through institutional relations among themselves.
The current situation confirms that the future of the region cannot be shaped in isolation from the will of its countries.
Our goal should not be to form exclusionary blocs, but rather to build a system of regional cooperation based on respect for sovereignty, territorial integrity, mutual trust, and shared interests.
Türkiye will continue to work according to this approach, will assume its responsibilities whenever necessary, and will persist in its diplomatic efforts to bolster peace, security, and stability in the region.''
President Erdoğan continued:
''Certainly, I see that, and we see that the Mecca Agreement will contribute to boosting security in the Gulf region. As I stressed from the beginning, we have signed an agreement that will serve the region's prosperity, welfare, safety, and security.
The security of the Gulf region is not only of great importance to the countries of the region but also holds vital significance for the global economy and international trade.
Many issues are directly linked to the security and peace of this region, ranging from the security of energy supplies to the safety of maritime corridors and from the continuity of trade movement to global economic stability.
This is not merely a theoretical proposition. The developments of the past few months have clearly demonstrated this to us.
Therefore, we believe that every step aimed at boosting security and stability in the Gulf region acquires value and importance not only on the regional level, but also from the perspective of global peace and prosperity.
We see that the Mecca agreement will contribute significantly to consolidating the concept of shared security and solidarity in the region, and will bring about a change in the prevailing approach there.
Security and economic development cannot be viewed in isolation from one another. I have repeatedly stressed that political stability and economic development go hand in hand.
After Europe went through major wars, it first achieved stability and security through joint action and then moved toward economic integration and prosperity. Together, we can reach this stage without going through all this pain and suffering. Trade, investments, and prosperity cannot be sustainable in the absence of peace and stability. Furthermore, the stability of the Gulf region represents, at the same time, a strategic matter regarding the security of economic links between Asia, Europe, and Africa.
We do not view peace and stability in the Gulf in isolation from our vision for our own security and regional peace.
Therefore, we will continue to undertake all responsibilities placed upon our shoulders, and we will persist with our constructive diplomatic efforts.''
''The Strait of Hormuz is one of the vital arteries of the global economy''
When asked about the situation in the Strait of Hormuz, President Erdoğan responded as follows:
''The Strait of Hormuz is considered an area whose importance is not confined to the regional level, but rather extends to the global sphere.
It is deemed a highly critical strategic corridor for global energy supplies and international trade. Therefore, the repercussions of any tension that may occur in this region are not limited to the countries of the region alone; the entire world has witnessed and felt its impact through oil prices.
The Strait of Hormuz has proven to be one of the vital arteries of the global economy.
Our hope and expectation are that the current tension will end as soon as possible, and that the strait will return to performing its role in serving international trade in a safe, stable, and uninterrupted manner.
This, in turn, is contingent upon all parties exercising restraint and keeping diplomatic channels open.
We have never supported the escalation of tension; on the contrary, we have advocated for resolving problems through negotiation, by establishing a dialogue with all parties.
We have sought to bring the parties together at a single table because we know that reaching a lasting solution, whether in the Strait of Hormuz, Ukraine, or Palestine, is achieved not through conflict, but through diplomacy.
The countries of the region bear a great responsibility regarding the security of a waterway of such importance and sensitivity.
We believe that strengthening regional ownership and the concept of shared security will contribute significantly to the stability of the Strait of Hormuz.
The objective should be the return of the strait to its normal, safe, and stable state, and for this status to become sustainable and permanent.''
President Erdoğan commented on current relations with Saudi Arabia:
''We view our relations with the Kingdom (of Saudi Arabia) as a strategic relationship, shaped by our shared history, the bonds of brotherhood that unite us, and mutual interests.
Türkiye and Saudi Arabia are not only friendly and sisterly nations, but they are also two states that assume important responsibilities toward peace, stability, and prosperity in the region.
We are pleased with the momentum our relations have gained recently.
While we work to strengthen our political dialogue, we are also developing our cooperation across many fields, foremost among which are the economy, trade, investment, defence industries, energy, and tourism.
We approach our relations with Saudi Arabia from a perspective that transcends immediate developments and circumstances, grounding it instead in long-term mutual interests and mutual respect.
At a time when our region is passing through a phase witnessing extremely critical challenges, continuous consultation and cooperation between Türkiye and Saudi Arabia have acquired greater importance than ever before.
We believe that the Mecca agreement will contribute to boosting our relations across many fields, led by defence cooperation.
We are aware of our shared responsibilities toward the peace and stability of our region, and we act on this basis.
We in Türkiye attach great importance to the stability and security of Saudi Arabia and all other countries in the region. This is because any crisis in our region, no matter how limited, affects all regional nations, particularly regarding migration and terrorism.
I believe that during the coming phase, we will take steps that will elevate relations between the two countries to much higher levels.''
''We look forward to Lebanon restoring its stability''
President Erdoğan expressed the following views when asked about the recent developments unfolding in Lebanon:
''For us, Lebanon is not merely a geographically close country but a friendly and sisterly nation with which we also share deep historical ties.
The security, peace, and stability of Lebanon hold great significance for the stability of our entire region. Lebanon's sovereignty, political unity, and territorial integrity must be preserved, just as is the case for all other countries in the region.
We also oppose complicating Lebanon's internal issues further through foreign interventions or military means and turning the country into an arena for competition among external powers. We believe that Lebanese citizens have the right to make decisions about the future of their country on their own and of their own free will.
Israeli attacks on Lebanon must stop immediately, in light of the aggressive and expansionist policies pursued by Tel Aviv, which are the core problem in the region. We view the ongoing talks to reach a ceasefire in Lebanon as a positive step. The security and stability of Lebanon cannot be viewed in isolation from regional peace.
The history of the Middle East should not be continually written with conflicts, destruction, and suffering. This region also deserves to enjoy peace, tranquillity, and prosperity.
This is the approach upon which all of our diplomatic efforts in Türkiye are based. Our region's name has been associated with war and tears for many long years, and we must do our utmost to change this reality.
Naturally, we look forward to Lebanon restoring its stability, its institutions being strengthened, and its people being able to look toward their future with safety and reassurance. We therefore stand ready to provide all forms of technical support and establish cooperation. We expressed our will and commitment in this regard to both President Joseph Aoun and Prime Minister Nawaf Salam, whom we hosted in our country recently.
President Erdoğan responded as follows when asked, ''How do you assess the course of change in Syria so far?'':
''We assess the change taking place in Syria as a historical turning point, in terms of the Syrian people's will to determine their own future.
From the beginning, Türkiye has defended Syria's territorial integrity, political unity, and sovereignty.
The war, terrorism, and instability suffered by Syria have exacted a heavy toll on the entire region.
Now, we are facing a new phase. Our most important aspiration is for this phase to pave the way for a lasting peace, stability, and the reconstruction of Syria.
We will not allow the presence of any organisations or entities in northern Syria or in any other part of it that would threaten the security of Türkiye. Just as Syria's territorial integrity holds immense importance for us, Turkish national security carries the exact same level of importance.
Since the beginning of this phase, our aspiration has been for our Syrian brothers to be able to live in their country in peace and security.
Since December 2024, Syria has made significant strides in improving security conditions in the country, preparing the necessary ground for economic development, and establishing societal consensus. Naturally, regional ownership and regional support for the Syrian government have played an important role in achieving these results.
The Syrian government, which has succeeded in developing good relations with the countries of the region and the international community, has demonstrated an ability to avoid involvement in more conflicts by focusing on an agenda of sustainable stability and security.
Today, the normalisation of conditions in Syria has, in fact, become an issue of strategic importance for the entire region. Instead of Syria's name being associated with a source of instability, it is now beginning to be linked with connectivity and development projects.
Türkiye will continue, as it has done to this day, to fulfil its responsibilities and do its part for the stability of Syria, helping it rise again, and strengthening regional peace. Furthermore, Türkiye is determined to work in cooperation with its regional and international partners in this direction.
At a time when a new page has turned in Syria, this page should be written not with fresh suffering, but in a spirit of peace, brotherhood, and sovereignty, and with a vision based on a shared future.